[hm] conversaciones de las hackers no muertas. Viejas noticias: las trolls no existen

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http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/answers/articles2/X0080_Stang_Doesnt_Exist.html

Me gusta la idea de "demons". Creo que los trolls no existen sino tal 
como se cree en ellos. Son daemons mal programados.


  CYBERPUNK HANDBOOK

From: jimvan en gate.net (Jim Vandewalker)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995

This is a report on a strange sighting at Barnes & Noble of a new book 
out, entitled CYBERPUNK HANDBOOK [The Real Cypberpunk Fakebook], by St. 
Jude, R.U Sirius and Bart Nagel, with a foreword by Bruce Sterling. A 
fairly slim paperback which purports to teach callow youth how to pass 
for cyberknowledgeable. Just some cyberhippies selling out and cashing 
in on a new fad, you may say, nothing any of us wouldn't do given half 
the chance, right?

Well, okay, but there are some strange and menacing things in the book.
FFrom the foreword:

"Then there's this Saint person. Never draw to an inside straight. Never 
eat at a place called Mom's. And never eat a bag of ephedrine and a 
pumpkin pie ("the *whip* of vegetables!") from a California blonde who 
doesn't even have a real name. This female personage is so appallingly 
cagey that even her main squeeze delights in cryptographically baffling 
the NSA. If Pat Buchanan ever gets his not-so-secret wish and sets up a 
domestic American gulag for counter-culture thought-criminals, the 
Judester's gonna be way, *way* up on the list -- maybe even number two, 
right after Bob Dobbs. Her trial's likely to prove interesting, however, 
as she only commits "crimes" in areas of social activity that haven't 
even been defined yet, much less successfully criminalized. A serious 
study of this woman's spectrum of activities would be like a CAT-scan of 
the american unconscious."

See that? Odd reference to Dobbs just thrown into the forward; subtly 
wrong, too. No initials, no quote marks. Look a little further:

"Chapter 19, The Parental-Discretion Special: Sects and Politics...and 
Recipes

"Part 1. The Joy of Sects

" Cyberpunks are just like everyone else, only more so. It follow that 
cyberpunks are not blind to any aspects of mind, including those called 
spiritual. Do you assume that cynical, technology-worshipping, 
leather-wearing persons don't bother about theses things? Well, you're 
wrong.

And the first listing is:

"Church of the SubGenius

"This started out as an outrageous parody of organized religion, but as 
organized religion has become equally outrageous, SubGenius has had to 
retrench as a branch of the Irony movement. SubGenius people tend to 
worship Irony in its more accessible aspects. Some highlights of the 
cult are:

"1. The grinning, pipe-smoking deity Bob Dobbs.

"2. The hero's quest -- the search for Slack, which is the most valuable 
element in the universe.

"3. Ivan Stang, who doesn't exist.

"We may be up for the SubGenius hit-squad for divulging this, but Ivan 
Stang is just a title that gets passed around among SubGenius Inner 
Illuminati. Be warned. If any of the authors of this book end up hanged 
under a bridge so that the tide washes them, those of us who are left 
will infallibly pin it on this year's Ivan Stang.

Chapter 20. It's an Intelligence Test! Cyperpunk Skull-Tweakers and Fun 
Fare

The 3-Letter Acronyms From H.E.C.K. CrypticCrossword

The clue for 4 down: "A band that will probably be forgotten in the few 
lousy weeks it takes for this book to make it to the shop. It does 
pseudocyber shtick and horrible splatter routines that spray the 
audience with fake gore. (4)" And the answer is GWAR.

Now some of this you might be able to write off as just the maunderings 
of hacks trying to make a buck off some stuff they down-loaded off the 
net and only semi-understood. But one of these paragraphs made the hair 
on the back of my neck stand up when I realized its full implications.

Stang's hand is in this. He may even be one of the authors. But Prophet, 
you say, why would Stang make these clumsy mistakes: Dobbs without the 
initials and without the quotes, the garbled explanation of Slack?

The key, children, is the seemingly throw-away line about the 
non-existence of Stang. He knows the thought police will be, almost 
certainly ALREADY ARE, after him. It hardly takes a revelation from 
Dobbs, and anyway the persecution of the Church is prophesied right 
there in the Book of the SubGenius. STANG DOESN'T INTEND TO GO QUIETLY. 
In fact, it looks as if he doesn't intend to be martyred at all. When 
they come for him, he's going to have a sacrificial lamb all ready to 
go. "Stang, Stang, you want Stang? Oh, yes, there's the Stang all right. 
Take HIM." The apparent "mistakes" are simply thrown in to lend artistic 
verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative. And the 
vicious cut, "SubGenius people tend to worship Irony in its more 
*accessible aspects* [emphasis added]," is, when you think about it, 
pure Stang. He's ready to throw one, OR MORE, of us to the wolves. This 
sets things up to do this little trick over and over again.

Well, I understand this is the kind of thing you have to do when you're 
the chief scribe of the only church guaranteeing true salvation in the 
end times, and even worse, mouthpiece for the Guy Who Swindled Loki, and 
Tricked the Trickster God. I even have a grudging respect for Stang 
being tough-minded enough to be able to do it. But if I were you, I'd 
think twice about any "special" or "honorary" positions Stang wanted to 
offer ME in the Church hierarchy.

--
Jim the Prophet
Spreading Eco-Mulch for the Gods

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From: dynasor en news.infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Thu. Sep 21, 1995, jimvan en gate.net told All:

jn> Well, I understand this is the kind of thing you have to do when
you're the chief scribe of the only church guaranteeing true salvation 
in the end times, and even worse, mouthpiece for the Guy Who Swindled 
Loki, and Tricked the Trickster God. I even have a grudging respect for 
Stang being tough-minded enough to be able to do it. But if I were you, 
I'd think twice about any "special" or "honorary" positions Stang wanted 
to offer ME in the Church hierarchy.

You fuckin' A, bubba. You want it clean, you buy it like everyone else. 
Never look a gift Stang in the mouth. There's demons in there. I heard em.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * I always have fun because I'm out of my mind!

--
dynasor en infi.net The Doctor is on.

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From: Katrina Taggart <demonkat en iglou.com>

dynasor en news.infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski) wrote:

 >You fuckin' A, bubba. You want it clean, you buy it like everyone 
else. Never look a gift Stang in the mouth. There's demons in there. I 
heard em.

And what's so bad about "demons" I wanna know??

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From: dynasor en news.infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

dc> And what's so bad about "demons" I wanna know??

Nothing, if you buy 'em straight up, that's the point. If you don't buy 
'em and get 'em programmed properly, they turn on you.

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